Sunday, April 29, 2007
Fishing With Shads
Shads arent expensive at £3.50 for a pack of 6 that is just under 60p each and some dys you can fish all day with just one shad plus the catch rates on them far outweigh most other lures including pirks which are far more expensive.
Read More On Fishing With Shads Here
Read More On Fishing With Shads Here
Whitby Boat Fishing - Pollock On Shads
28th April 2007
Cod And Pollock to double figures on sea otter 2
The Whitby Charter skipper Paul Kilpatrick is reporting excellent fishing at Whitby again with Pollock now beginning to show. Saturday the 28th April 2007 saw one of Paul's Anglers catch this fine double figure Pollock using a shad
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Cod And Pollock to double figures on sea otter 2
The Whitby Charter skipper Paul Kilpatrick is reporting excellent fishing at Whitby again with Pollock now beginning to show. Saturday the 28th April 2007 saw one of Paul's Anglers catch this fine double figure Pollock using a shad
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Saturday, April 28, 2007
Recent Topics In The Whitby Angling Forum
Coalfish Showing In Good Numbers
Robert Goodwill MP Speaks Against Fishing Licences
Pollock Fishing In The Whitby Area
I think if you spin off the end of long hole who knows just what you might encounter in the summer months pollock must be favourite but i am sure you might get a big surprize and get a few cod you are straight into deep water there.
Fund Raising For Whitby East Pier Bridge Replacement
Fishing At Boulby
Boat Fishing For Cod
Robert Goodwill MP Speaks Against Fishing Licences
Parts of the governments white paper refers to the introduction of a sea angling licence. I am firmly against the introduction of such a licence. In particular I am concerned that this may have serious effect on the charter fishing which takes place out of ports like Whitby. If A day fisherman had to buy a licence for £25, and it was the only days fishing he would have in that year, it would be a real disincentive for clubs and organisations to organise fishing trips for their members.
Pollock Fishing In The Whitby Area
I think if you spin off the end of long hole who knows just what you might encounter in the summer months pollock must be favourite but i am sure you might get a big surprize and get a few cod you are straight into deep water there.
Fund Raising For Whitby East Pier Bridge Replacement
Talking to a friend the other day and he suggested that we shoud try and raise funding to replace the bridge on the east peir i think i will to have to speak to somebody in sbc
Fishing At Boulby
anyway thought ide break the silence with a question .im thinking about targetting boulby area quite alot in the up n coming winter , so im planning on doing alot of recce work down there during the summer , sussing the ground out good and proper , especially during spring tides , etc , ive fished it a few times , but ive never really sussed it out as every time i get down there i just want to fish the first good looking gulley i see , i want to study it that much i want to be able to be confident enough to make the descent and ascent in the dark hopefully ... is there any regulars who fish alot at boulby, post on this site ? that are willing to advise on this particular area , every time ive been down there i always fish to the bottom and the right in them gulleys , never been to the left as yet , heard theres a mark called white stones , ? is it very recognisable , ie big white stones etc
Boat Fishing For Cod
went off on boat tonight for half an hour.used jiggers and was fishing between 40 and 60ft of water.plenty of billets and 3 nice codlings.biggest was around 6lbs.couple of other boats out earlier this morning from staithes also had codlings on jiggers.one lad had 3 on the same drop.gonna go in morning for a couple of hours.
Monday, April 23, 2007
Sunday, April 22, 2007
North East Kayak Fishing
Hi Just a quick post to let you know about a great new article on the Whitby sea anglers site.
North east kayak fishing is an article all about kayack fishing in and around north yorkshire. The article was kindly written by Iain Sellers of Scarborough AKA quint from the Whitby fishing forum
North East Kayak Fishing
North east kayak fishing is an article all about kayack fishing in and around north yorkshire. The article was kindly written by Iain Sellers of Scarborough AKA quint from the Whitby fishing forum
North East Kayak Fishing
Saturday, April 21, 2007
Trot On In The Whitby Angling Festival
Rather than starting another topic ill stick this here.
Local Junior angler Dan Craig sure had a "grand" day out on Paul Eddon's Charter Boat Trot On in this years Spring boat fishing festival at Whitby. Dans catch, a ling of almost 15 pounds made him the youngest winner to date of any of the Whitby Angling Festivals, and earned him the first placed prize of £1000 for the biggest fish caught in the event.
Dan (centre) is Pictured Here receiving his prize money from (left to right) Paul Kilpatrick Chairman of the Whitby charter skippers association(also representing stagecoach supertram the festivals main sponsors from Sheffield), Mark Stringer of local firm Buildings Ltd, Mike Clarkson of MC Electrical services, and Paul Eddon skipper of the winning boat Trot On.
Above : Dan Craig with his winning Ling from Trot on charters.
The winning boat owned and skippered by Paul Eddon is a 105 offshore class and with 430 horse power under the deck is capable of up to 25 knots.
Anyone interested in booking a trip with Paul can contact him on 01947 821694 or 07766995847, or by email at : pauleddon@yahoo.co.uk
The Whitby Charter Skippers Festivals are sponsored by :
Stagecoach Supertram
Mc Electricals
Buildings Limited
The Fleece Public House
The Ship Inn
Arbutts Cafe
Mister Chips
And The George Hotel
Details of the sponsors can be found here : http://www.wcsa.co.uk/sponsors.php
Local Junior angler Dan Craig sure had a "grand" day out on Paul Eddon's Charter Boat Trot On in this years Spring boat fishing festival at Whitby. Dans catch, a ling of almost 15 pounds made him the youngest winner to date of any of the Whitby Angling Festivals, and earned him the first placed prize of £1000 for the biggest fish caught in the event.
Dan (centre) is Pictured Here receiving his prize money from (left to right) Paul Kilpatrick Chairman of the Whitby charter skippers association(also representing stagecoach supertram the festivals main sponsors from Sheffield), Mark Stringer of local firm Buildings Ltd, Mike Clarkson of MC Electrical services, and Paul Eddon skipper of the winning boat Trot On.
Above : Dan Craig with his winning Ling from Trot on charters.
The winning boat owned and skippered by Paul Eddon is a 105 offshore class and with 430 horse power under the deck is capable of up to 25 knots.
Anyone interested in booking a trip with Paul can contact him on 01947 821694 or 07766995847, or by email at : pauleddon@yahoo.co.uk
The Whitby Charter Skippers Festivals are sponsored by :
Stagecoach Supertram
Mc Electricals
Buildings Limited
The Fleece Public House
The Ship Inn
Arbutts Cafe
Mister Chips
And The George Hotel
Details of the sponsors can be found here : http://www.wcsa.co.uk/sponsors.php
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Whitby Fishing Forum - Recent Topics
The Whitby fishing forum is now growing ever more popular and each week sees more members signing up and guests reading the posts increasing daily. The forum is not only about fishing at Whitby but also about all types of fishing (course, game and sea) all around the north east. With the forums members now debating new topics on a daily basis the forum just gets more and more interesting.
Whitby Fishing Forum
Amongst the popular topics within the Whitby fishing forum this week are :
Kayak Fishing Under Bempton Cliffs - Forum Member quint says
Whitby's MP Robert Goodwill Speaks About Proposed Fishing Licence
North East Kayak Fishing
Hornsea RNLI Open - Turned Into A Debate On Catch And Release
Which Spinning Rod ??
Daiwa Whisker 9ft, shimano solstace, greys 10 ft grx 15 gr to 60 gr, daiwa alltmor-s 7gr to 40gr,
shimano sustain 4000 fd, dinky 7ft sr 842-2 glx rated at 1gr to 9gr
Ramrod Says :
Local Angler Dan Craig Wins Whitby Fishing Festival On Paul Eddon's Boat Trot On
Whitby Fishing Forum
Amongst the popular topics within the Whitby fishing forum this week are :
Kayak Fishing Under Bempton Cliffs - Forum Member quint says
I took my kayak and tucked under cliff about 300 yards off opposite the high water mark boiler - had 5 fish all 2 to 3lb mark and a smattering of billets
Whitby's MP Robert Goodwill Speaks About Proposed Fishing Licence
I agree. If this is seen as just another stealth tax there will be tremendous resentment among recreational fishermen, but if they see that there are some concrete benefits their attitude might change.Peeler Crabs For Sale At Scarborough Tackle Shop
Scarborough Castle foot tackle shop has 500 fresh peeler crabs if any one is interested. The largest is of average size, most are dogs and they are 70p each.
North East Kayak Fishing
Hi all .....
I run the website www.kayakfishing.co.uk and am based in Kingston Upon Hull. We regularly from marks off Withernsea, Bridlington, Flamborough, Cayton Bay, Whitby ..etc ...
Its nice to see another fishing related website covering our area. Do any of you lads use kayaks for fishing or is it more shore and ledge based fishing.
Hornsea RNLI Open - Turned Into A Debate On Catch And Release
"murder matches" Should be a thing of the past!Reel Review - Abu 6500 C3 CT
be it cod, yting hounds, skate etc.
How long is it going to be before a match is runb that just so happens co-insides with a big run of hounds.
on a good day on the hounds u can get 15-20 fish between 6-12lb
and if 160 anglers all caught 5 hounds, thats 800 hounds slaughtered for what.......pot bait!.
same goes for cod,yting.
Well now Ive looked I dont know which one I mean appears to be so many 6500's from Abu these days.
6500 C3Ct florida orange
6500 CT Chrome Rocket
6500 CT Mag High Speed
6500 CT Mag
Premium 6500 CT
6500 CS Mag
Are they all that same crappy side plate material. Paul you know I dont pay over much attention to my reels and these things corrode like shit if you dont really look after them - which I know I wont. I need one with brass side plates like the 7000 syncro that Dav uses or like the 7500 c3.
Which Spinning Rod ??
Daiwa Whisker 9ft, shimano solstace, greys 10 ft grx 15 gr to 60 gr, daiwa alltmor-s 7gr to 40gr,
shimano sustain 4000 fd, dinky 7ft sr 842-2 glx rated at 1gr to 9gr
Ramrod Says :
Can anyone recommend a good spinning rod to buy? I don,t want to spend a fortune but at the same time I don,t want a stick of rhubarb either
Local Angler Dan Craig Wins Whitby Fishing Festival On Paul Eddon's Boat Trot On
Whitby club Junior member Daniel Craig has gone into the lead of the Whitby charter skippers Spring boat fishing festival with a Ling of almost 15 pounds caught from Paul Eddons Boat Trot On.
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Filey Brigg Fishing Club New Website
Just a quick update to let you know that I have redisgned the filey fishing club website on the behalf of the lads at the club.
To take a look at the new site please visit.
www.fileybrigganglingsociety.co.uk
To take a look at the new site please visit.
www.fileybrigganglingsociety.co.uk
Monday, April 09, 2007
Mackerel Fishing At Whitby
The Main Summer Species At Whitby Are The Mackeral
Mackerel is the main summer species for anglers at Whitby. It has to be one of the most enjoyable species to catch. Warm summer evenings spent on Whitby's piers can produce decent catches of mackerel for all anglers. The shoals often arrive in June and stay right through the summer.
Please click here to read more about mackerel fishing at Whitby
Friday, April 06, 2007
Rod Review Century ttr, zziplex vmax f1 reelsport response
Rod Review -
Century TTR,
Zziplex Vmax f1 or
ReelSport Response.
currently on review over in the Whitby fishing forum are the rods listed below from reelsport, ziplex and centuary. If you want to read about the rods or add your opinion -
Century TTR,
Zziplex Vmax f1 or
ReelSport Response.
currently on review over in the Whitby fishing forum are the rods listed below from reelsport, ziplex and centuary. If you want to read about the rods or add your opinion -
Centuary TTR, Zziplex V max f1 or Reel Sport Response
Then why not head over to our forum and join
the debate.
Season Over
Well after 6 months of match fishing twice a week the Whitby Sea Anglers Association winter league finally came to an end on the 28th March. Its funny how as you get older you notice things pass by a lot faster. I know I'm relatively young having not reached 40 just yet, but you do get to wondering how many more seasons you can get up and down those cliffs - I hope I'm still going strong like my old mate Whacker Atkinson whose up and down the cliffs like a mountain goat still - at the age of 65.
This season has been rather special for me as I actually managed to achieve a long time goal of mine to finish top of the league. After fishing the club for 10 years now I thought it might never happen but this year I finally managed it. I remember emailing Scottish international angler Steve Souter a couple of times and asking for a few tips on match fishing. Amongst a lot of things he told me was "you need a hyde like a rhino lad" - "The more fish you get the more people will be on your case". Well that certainly was true. I managed to locate a couple of fishing marks where I could scratch out a whiting or 2 (and sometimes a dozen) on the calmer nights when I knew some of the other lads would struggle for a fish if the whiting never came to the beaches at Whitby. I remember the first time I put them on the scales - All the hardline cod anglers turned up their noses and I could hear comments of "bloody whitings" floating around in the background. Being quite a sensitive person it felt pretty bad and at times I must admit I felt like not fishing at all and walking away from the club. But those words of Steve's stuck in my mind and so did his advice of "make an achievable goal and go for it - and don't be put off by others". Its a fishing club not a cod club I said to myself and so I continued.
Next came the enquiries about where I was catching the whiting from. I couldn't go bait digging or pleasure fishing without enduring endless questioning from 2 people in particular as to where I was catching my fish on the calmer nights. I managed to dodge the questions and refused to speak to them about the matches.
Through the early part of the season up till Christmas I had some great catches. Luck had played its part and I'd even managed a 10 pounder in a bag of 5 fish weighing 19 pounds from from one of my favourite marks. When the sea was rough I fished for the cod and when it was calm whitings were the target. Christmas came and went and I thought that might be the end of the better catches as things go down hill usually in the new year. But that wasn't to be the case this year and at the end of January I was struggling back up the cliffs with my heaviest bag of the season - 5 cod (all of a similar size) for 23 pounds in total - a bag which was to later turn out to be the heaviest caught throughout the season by any angler in the club. Not bad for a whiting angler - I thought to myself.
On the following Sunday one of the whiting venues I'd been using was discovered by the lads who had interrogated me many times over the season. "found you" came the shout from a grinning face as their car pulled up a matter of seconds behind mine. The 2 year game of hide and seek was finally over. As we got onto the pier question after question came about where to cast, what bait to use. It was the 4th February and I had a 50 pound lead, so I didn't worry to much although one of the lads who had found me was the lad in second place. Comments of "were gonna catch you up" although said tongue in cheek did knock me out of my stride a little but I still managed 10 pound of fish that night whilst they only managed 4 between them.
As we headed into March I still had the 50 pound (and a bit more) lead I had had at Christmas and although I had been worrying about being caught up I felt with a month to go I was about home and dry. Through March I went on and fished well, infact I was very pleased as I often catch nothing at all in this month. I managed almost 30 pounds in total this month also getting the heaviest bag of the month at 12 pounds and the heaviest fish of the month at around 6 pounds. In the end I finished 75 pounds ahead of the next person behind me.
Needless to say I was over the moon at finally winning. As I said to myself in November (and every other month) when a certain few were making things difficult because I was targeting whitings. This will probably be the last season I will compete 100% in the fishing club. I will still be there next year as there are some good mates who also fish and I would miss the social side of things with them if I didn't fish, but I wont fish as often and on those calmer nights Ill probably stay home rather than take stick for catching whiting - I wont be competing to win from now on, just enjoying the fishing.
I have set myself another goal now and that is to start fishing the local open matches a lot more - something I've never done. Although I don't expect to win if I can get up there amongst the top 3 in the odd one I will be more than happy.
Well that's another season over. It's the presentation dinner this month and I have 3 trophies to collect - Heaviest bag, Most fish and League winner. Not bad for a whiting angler if I say so myself.
Now its off to collect the bait for next years fishing.
This season has been rather special for me as I actually managed to achieve a long time goal of mine to finish top of the league. After fishing the club for 10 years now I thought it might never happen but this year I finally managed it. I remember emailing Scottish international angler Steve Souter a couple of times and asking for a few tips on match fishing. Amongst a lot of things he told me was "you need a hyde like a rhino lad" - "The more fish you get the more people will be on your case". Well that certainly was true. I managed to locate a couple of fishing marks where I could scratch out a whiting or 2 (and sometimes a dozen) on the calmer nights when I knew some of the other lads would struggle for a fish if the whiting never came to the beaches at Whitby. I remember the first time I put them on the scales - All the hardline cod anglers turned up their noses and I could hear comments of "bloody whitings" floating around in the background. Being quite a sensitive person it felt pretty bad and at times I must admit I felt like not fishing at all and walking away from the club. But those words of Steve's stuck in my mind and so did his advice of "make an achievable goal and go for it - and don't be put off by others". Its a fishing club not a cod club I said to myself and so I continued.
Next came the enquiries about where I was catching the whiting from. I couldn't go bait digging or pleasure fishing without enduring endless questioning from 2 people in particular as to where I was catching my fish on the calmer nights. I managed to dodge the questions and refused to speak to them about the matches.
Through the early part of the season up till Christmas I had some great catches. Luck had played its part and I'd even managed a 10 pounder in a bag of 5 fish weighing 19 pounds from from one of my favourite marks. When the sea was rough I fished for the cod and when it was calm whitings were the target. Christmas came and went and I thought that might be the end of the better catches as things go down hill usually in the new year. But that wasn't to be the case this year and at the end of January I was struggling back up the cliffs with my heaviest bag of the season - 5 cod (all of a similar size) for 23 pounds in total - a bag which was to later turn out to be the heaviest caught throughout the season by any angler in the club. Not bad for a whiting angler - I thought to myself.
On the following Sunday one of the whiting venues I'd been using was discovered by the lads who had interrogated me many times over the season. "found you" came the shout from a grinning face as their car pulled up a matter of seconds behind mine. The 2 year game of hide and seek was finally over. As we got onto the pier question after question came about where to cast, what bait to use. It was the 4th February and I had a 50 pound lead, so I didn't worry to much although one of the lads who had found me was the lad in second place. Comments of "were gonna catch you up" although said tongue in cheek did knock me out of my stride a little but I still managed 10 pound of fish that night whilst they only managed 4 between them.
As we headed into March I still had the 50 pound (and a bit more) lead I had had at Christmas and although I had been worrying about being caught up I felt with a month to go I was about home and dry. Through March I went on and fished well, infact I was very pleased as I often catch nothing at all in this month. I managed almost 30 pounds in total this month also getting the heaviest bag of the month at 12 pounds and the heaviest fish of the month at around 6 pounds. In the end I finished 75 pounds ahead of the next person behind me.
Needless to say I was over the moon at finally winning. As I said to myself in November (and every other month) when a certain few were making things difficult because I was targeting whitings. This will probably be the last season I will compete 100% in the fishing club. I will still be there next year as there are some good mates who also fish and I would miss the social side of things with them if I didn't fish, but I wont fish as often and on those calmer nights Ill probably stay home rather than take stick for catching whiting - I wont be competing to win from now on, just enjoying the fishing.
I have set myself another goal now and that is to start fishing the local open matches a lot more - something I've never done. Although I don't expect to win if I can get up there amongst the top 3 in the odd one I will be more than happy.
Well that's another season over. It's the presentation dinner this month and I have 3 trophies to collect - Heaviest bag, Most fish and League winner. Not bad for a whiting angler if I say so myself.
Now its off to collect the bait for next years fishing.
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
Fishing Port Mulgrave
Information On Fishing At Port Mulgrave can be found on the following page:
Cod Fishing At Port Mulgrave
Cod Fishing At Port Mulgrave
Boat Fishing At Whitby
I have just added a new page to our Website entitled Boat Fishing At Whitby.
Please Visit this link to read more :
http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/whitby-boat-fishing.php
Please Visit this link to read more :
http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/whitby-boat-fishing.php
Monday, April 02, 2007
Late Winter Storms At Whitby
Thought some of you mike like to see the pics of the rough seas at Whitby on the 20th March 2007. With the biggest tides of the year coinciding with strong northerly winds and a deep low pressure over the north sea it was always going to be a rough few days. I understand some of the houses in Church street were flooded as the river broke its banks. The beach huts on the west cliff were also smashed to pieces and dragged into the sea. Having a couple of weeks off work I managed to get into town with my camera and took these pics.
Funny How It Goes
Isn't it funny how things turn out sometimes. Take our fishing match on the 21st March this year. With the match being fished from 90 mins after high tide to 2 hours before low tide on the largest ebb tide of the year I felt chances of cod were pretty slim with my best chance being from 9 until 10 pm (the last hour of the match) at Boggle hole. I arrived at Boggle at 6.30 and had a quick look at the conditions, the high seas of the previous 2 days were now subsiding and conditions looked near perfect, but with the mark I wanted to fish inaccessible until around 8.30 I had to find somewhere else to fish and pass the first 90 mins of the match. I decided to head back into Robin Hoods Bay and fish one of the marks up there so I set off on foot and arrived there about 6.55pm. I baited and cast into the heaviest coloured water I had seen at Bay in some years. The storms of Monday and Tuesday had really given the bottom a good stir up and the conditions looked good. Thinking I had little chance of a fish at this state of tide at this mark I propped the rid in the rest and set about passing time until I could get to where I felt there would be fish later in the evening. No sooner had I put the rod in the rest I had a tiny bite - Undersized codlings I thought to myself (there has been so many of them about this year). I picked the rod up and stood with it for a while. A few seconds later I felt a slightly better bite and wound down - as I did so the rod pulled right over and as I struck I knew I was into a half decent fish - As it landed next to me I could see it was a nice cod of around 3 pounds. Looked at the watch and it was 5 mins past 7. Only five minutes of the match gone, what a start I thought to myself.
I quickly added a few more worms to the pennel rig and cast it back in. Again within minutes another bite which ended with another cod of around 3 pounds in the bag. The same happened again twice more and by 7.40 I had 4 three pounders in the bag, but by this time the water in front of me was getting rather low. I cast back in and struggled for a bite for about 15 minutes. Just as I was thinking the bait must be about high and dry (the big tides ebb out fast on the shallow marks around here) the rod went over again, the fish must have swam with its back half out the water to get at the bait. As I struck I felt the fish was on but immediately the line went light and I knew I had dragged the bait out of the fishes mouth. When I got the trace back I noticed the bottom hook of the pennel had entangled with the top hook and was upside down which had meant there was nothing for the fish to get caught on. I wish I had a pound for everytime this happens with a pennel rig.
Realising it was pointless to cast back in I headed out onto the scars at Robin hoods bay, but after a couple of casts I realised the fish had vacated the area and as it was about 8.45 it was now time to head into boggle hole. Having got 4 fish in the bag already and now going to the place I was most confident about before the match began I now fancied I had a good chance of another couple of fish and taking the bag weight over 20 pounds. I got cast in around 9pm and immediately my line was heavy with loose weed (it can really be a problem at this venue). Needless to say I spent most of the next hour casting back in and suffering the same problem of weed on the line meaning it was impossible to fish. I never got another fish. I got to the weigh in at Whitby and weighed the 4 fish I caught early on for a total of 12 pounds.
In analysing the nights fishing I thought to myself - Funny how things turn out at times. Id ended up with 4 fish from somewhere I thought I hadn't got a chance and the mark I thought was a banker produced a blank.
I quickly added a few more worms to the pennel rig and cast it back in. Again within minutes another bite which ended with another cod of around 3 pounds in the bag. The same happened again twice more and by 7.40 I had 4 three pounders in the bag, but by this time the water in front of me was getting rather low. I cast back in and struggled for a bite for about 15 minutes. Just as I was thinking the bait must be about high and dry (the big tides ebb out fast on the shallow marks around here) the rod went over again, the fish must have swam with its back half out the water to get at the bait. As I struck I felt the fish was on but immediately the line went light and I knew I had dragged the bait out of the fishes mouth. When I got the trace back I noticed the bottom hook of the pennel had entangled with the top hook and was upside down which had meant there was nothing for the fish to get caught on. I wish I had a pound for everytime this happens with a pennel rig.
Realising it was pointless to cast back in I headed out onto the scars at Robin hoods bay, but after a couple of casts I realised the fish had vacated the area and as it was about 8.45 it was now time to head into boggle hole. Having got 4 fish in the bag already and now going to the place I was most confident about before the match began I now fancied I had a good chance of another couple of fish and taking the bag weight over 20 pounds. I got cast in around 9pm and immediately my line was heavy with loose weed (it can really be a problem at this venue). Needless to say I spent most of the next hour casting back in and suffering the same problem of weed on the line meaning it was impossible to fish. I never got another fish. I got to the weigh in at Whitby and weighed the 4 fish I caught early on for a total of 12 pounds.
In analysing the nights fishing I thought to myself - Funny how things turn out at times. Id ended up with 4 fish from somewhere I thought I hadn't got a chance and the mark I thought was a banker produced a blank.
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